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But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod, and this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006, total disobedience. We're all great apes. We asked, "Who do you think about killing?" Fritz Haber's a professor, small university, he's working with chemicals; it's about 1880. And there behind the German lines is-. He actually was very humiliated, uh, that Germany had lost. And I was just astonished-. Okay. This hour we take a look at what happens when we all try to live together. What makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? The experiment requires that we continue. Outside of WNYC, I think This American Life does as well, and I know enthusiastic fans transcribed Serial.. Been through this a lot of times before, and she's already told you she's in a hurry. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers. But this is why this is such an interesting guy, around the same time, officials in the U.S. government are calling him a war criminal. [inaudible 00:59:10] I went back one time before and [inaudible 00:59:13] that I Like I said, I got to give it out, can't keep holding it in. In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are, you know, strung up by- You're not allowed to hang till you die. This is Radiolab, and today we're going to get back, so to speak. in the next room just because they're being told to. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. No, because if you couldn't afford a ticket for a play, you'd seen all the plays, in the 1500s, you could always go to a public hanging. Is an absolute order. At least not with a tremendous amount of energy. All rights reserved. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouth, those who could still breathe would turn blue. Hmm. But when he gets there, he has to contend with his wife. You're bad." This is sort of chilling comparison, which is a speed that Himmler gave to the SS, some SS leaders, when they were, uh, about to commit a range of atrocities. He gets promoted to the rank of Captain. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. That's radio producer Ben Walker. Come over now.". So, I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? So around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. What you know-". My dad said, "I don't want to talk about it." He knew about it. And not just because he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. All right. (beep) God. Accuracy and availability may vary. You know what's going to happen if she [inaudible 01:02:25]. He- he loves the fatherland and he loves Germany. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. Well, if you dressed it up, and if you had some minor vairance in the paradigm, you could presumable, you know, make- make this up. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter-, Killed her. Yeah, but those are fantasies, they're some of them actually seem like-, Okay, this is a 20 year old female. Could you just tell me the little story that you begin your book with? This you and this two other participants. That's one of the things that we- that we need to know. And then it was several hours later, in the middle of the night, that I got the call. He refuses what we fully expect and what everybody on stage at that moment fully expects from him. And you like her. The story of Job is that one day God and Satan were having a conversation. I don't know, I would rather have scientists who carry doubt with them as they proceed, I-. Uh, he's a master plotter. Well I mean, I know it does, sir. WNYC's Radiolab The Good Show Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich Jan. 01, 2012 The standard view of evolution is that living things are shaped by cold-hearted competition. Well that's to [inaudible 00:19:32], just cut it out. So, let me just get that ov- I mean-, So, again, the baseline study is the one where 65% of the volunteers-. On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. Our thanks to Ben Walker, whose podcast he has a podcast and it's a good one. Is that like a green cloud? But he is a large, very strong man with a black belt in karate. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. A lot of WNYC podcasts do transcripts-- I know On the Media does. And "Because women have stepped on me all my life." All right, so I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? It's called Too Much Information. Yeah. And is found by her son. As we continue listening to the Bad Show on human nature in our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Wave, which we mirrors the natural shape of your body, or the Casper mattress with zone support for your hips and shoulders for better alignment. This- this is really important. Wow. They're trying to do the right thing. It was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. And I designed a little, um, questionnaire where I simply ask the students, you know, "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" I think what it's doing is, uh, if you breathe it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drown in your own phlegm. And they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? We'll basically bring it to the front, and when the wind is right, we'll just spray it. And you like her. Where sound illuminates ideas, and the boundaries blur between science, philosophy, and human experience. But in experiment number three, if they put the shockee in the same room with the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person as the shockee. "Well why can't you deal with it in a normal way?". What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? We have nothing. In fact we hate being told. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. Yeah (laughs). But he does it with a kind of amoral athleticism, he does it without humility, without a lot of doubt. Why did you do this?" Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we do, if they worthwhile doing, and not always easy. ", "Even- even when their sorrows almost were forgot. Nothing to be ashamed of. So if you have kids in the room, maybe this is a time to tell them to go brush their teeth or something. It is a, the- the critical- the critical force prod. Listen Now. And then Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering hew with a pillow. This next part's a little graphic. Then he goes and celebrates that, and then walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says, "More of that please.". It is- it is arguably the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. And, uh, she had got a disgusted look on her face and said that he was up in the bedroom. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. Want to talk about bad people in Shakespeare. We're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies. They will spare his son if he fesses up and- and tells them what they need to know. Zyklon A, which was originally just a pesticide-. So, you know, around this point, I just don't want to have anything to do with this guy. They're supposedly chums, but General Othello has no idea that Iago-. You walk into the room, what do you find? This has allowed the world to have 7 billion people. They were gagging, they were choking. Nobody had done what he was about to do on the scale that he was about to do it. Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. So, how do you feel about him now? I'll go along with this.". That one simple, "Why?" Necrophilia. The shocker would say, "Hell no I don't.". Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. Um, we lived together for a couple months. And, um, in January of 1984, the Green River task force was formed. Leaving his son alone with his dead mother. And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. 35.3M . My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some Radiolab credit. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting a thought that he had anything to do with Zyklon B, but he did. You could say people were bat (beep) crazy. I killed her. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. According to James, he is not the baddest-. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film in case you've never heard of this. Because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb? With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. The authoritative record of New York Public Radios programming is the audio record. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress with a support system that mirrors your body shape. So then Hey wait, I'm almost done guys, give me two more minutes, two more minutes. "Definitely yes.". So he sends a letter to the Ministry of Education resigning, and he leaves Germany. And so when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. She was a- I knew she had a daughter in the last [crosstalk 01:01:03]. "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age." Which was sort of asking these questions like, "What makes a person inherently good or bad? Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. ", And the class ended, and I went back to my office, and I just sat at my desk, and I started reading these. There's a pause and my father just says-. And they would circle yes or no. At this point, David's moved onto a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. Well, that's because you- be-because Molly's been in the chair. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a free audiobook. Look. And I basically spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. Obedience droops to about 40 percent [inaudible 00:15:40]. We begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. Yeah. I've been thinking about him for the better part of a year as you know. This has allowed the world to have seven billion people. God, I feel like we haven't, you and I sat together and said our names in quite some time. And you know what? Those who could still breathe would turn blue. "I need to kill because of that." I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. Because you are sullied by them. And when nitrogen and hydrogen bond together, the thing you get-. Fat- commit them to memory? Our staff includes Simon Adler, Maggie Bartholomew, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick, David Gebel, Ethel Hepti, Tracy Hunt, Matt Kielty, the lovely Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Latif Nassar, Malissa O'Donnell, Adrian Wack, Pat Walters, and Molly Webster. "When I picked them up I was going to kill them." All rights reserved. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? Even past when they were screaming in pain. And in this one you get 0% going all the way. Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". He was doing his great science work right around the turn of the 20th century; so right around 1900. And I used to socialize with him and his wife. In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. Also from Breslau. Yes, this is one of the things that sparked my interest in the topic of murder. He wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in US history. And Iago-, He refuses what we fully expect, and what everybody on stage, at that moment, fully expects from him. In 1962, Stanley Milgram shocked the world with his study on obedience. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P Sloan Foundation enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. "You know, you're not the first person that's ever done this.". Then a few months later, he started calling me, trying to get back together, but I didn't want to. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, _really _bad that's in some of us. "Demand me nothing, what you know-, From this time forth, I never will speak word." I just needed to kill her." Today's date is, uh, June 17th. Then he goes and, you know, and celebrates that. Wow. But the generals were not all that convinced. You know, uh, "I'm going to kill her.". She was actually, uh, sort of a genius herself. "From this time forth, I never will speak a word." "The experiment requires that you continue.". Bonobos. As we continue listening to the Bad Show episode on human nature, our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Blank Slate by Steven Pinker available on Audible. with the ideas that people would do bad if they think it's good, it's a good noble cause. Is that nitrogen is [tryvalent 00:31:48]. Bread from the air was the phrase 'cause Haber had figured out a way to take nitrogen from the air, put it into the barren ground, and grow wheat. He goes straight to the German [inaudible 00:36:56] and- and he pitches this idea. And to make the problems even more annoying. So, you ask like, why do people do bad things? Like, is that something that's universal? By this point, David moved on to a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. Only 10% under those circumstances go on. Oh, that right there, slap some quotations around that. You mean they're looking at 20 million people hungry? In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. What he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. And not to everybody's taste. Where . But there's a fellow. He works for a general. Yeah. So during World War I, Haber's Institute had developed a formulation of insect killing gas called zyklon. Okay. Said- said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone.". But did it, publicly, in front of her friends. She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. It has enough what they used to call then solar energy. We need to put it under a lot of pressure. Visit rocketmortgage.com/radiolab. The most common source of nitrogen is in the air around us. Leaving a son, a- a- alone with his dead mother. Okay. Especially when it came to one particular fact. Check out the Blank Slate, a book by Steven Pinker, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. Right. Because it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of humans' latent capacity for evil. He, ultimately, spent 17 years searching for this man. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? I- I- I- well (laughs). Like, you know, "Who are you?". Visit our website. I think I call it pince-nez, so I'm not sure. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". That's it? He eventually goes to England. And Christensen, I dated her several times bef- three times- two times before. And then, he starts this period of roaming. So, wait, if it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-. Yes, and he did too. Radiolab Presents: More Perfect - The Gun Show 69:05 : Feb 23, 2018: The Curious Case of the Russian Flash Mob at the West Palm Beach Cheesecake Factory 00:00:00 : Feb 19, 2018: Smarty Plants 34:54 : Feb 13, 2018: Ghosts of Football Past 36:40 : Feb 3, 2018: Radiolab Presents: More Perfect - One Nation, Under Money 55:04 : Jan 31, 2018 And this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". 65%-, to shock their fellow citizens over and over again-. He would have each subject sit down at a table. And I- I killed her. We're going to meet her later. ", Meanwhile, later that night on the other side of town-. Addeddate 2012-10-10 05:15:40 Boxid OL100020610 Identifier wnycs-radiolab_the-bad-show Add Review 4 Views DOWNLOAD OPTIONS 1 file ITEM TILE 4 Files 4 Original Members of his extended family did. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. Don't- don't the man's health mean anything? 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