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Vol. If not, then why do we need to find the remains of Thamud? The earliest abundant references for Thamud in our literary sources are in relation to the Nabataean empire a large Arab kingdom encompassing parts of modern Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (including the Hejaz, the area containing Mecca and Medina) and even parts of Sinai. He said, O my people, worship Allah; you have no deity other than Him. Witch of these sound more like what the verse is meaning, 5. Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. And you said the inside has to be bigger how big do you think it has to be inside like the inside of petra or smaller or bigger and how many rooms do you think there should of been or do you think the inside of madion al saleh is the right size sorry for all the questions but these are it then I wont ask any more questions Im justin putting them all so then thats it jazzakkallah, This is also part of 4. The facades vary in height and in the richness of their decorations. Four generations is only about eighty years and its unlikely, in my humble opinion, that they were able to establish a new socieity, invent a new religion, and forget all about their ancestors the Aad in such a short time. Its in their records, that we find out first mention of Thamud. They were successors to the People of Noah. Its not an easy read, especially as most of the stories leave the reader perplexed in terms of their relevancy to ones personal life or attainment of anything didactic that enriches or nurtures a relationship with God. As for the conclusion that Ashab al-Hijr were not Thamud, I think this is rather unwarranted. The Thamud (Arabic: , romanized:amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation[1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. This is the she-camel of Allah [sent] to you as a sign. And when they conqured people, they did so in a harsh, brutal, and ruthless manner. I think some more research is needed to establish where the ruins are that are clearly mentioned in the Tabuk expedition hadith. what enemy, ever so warlike and powerful, will venture to invade my land, or besiege me in my strong hold? You can find the first onehere), Thamud were before time of the Israelites they were same time as the Assyrians who they mixed with. What the visitor sees there today are hewn hills; no mansions remain on the plain. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. They were Giants and so powerful. Archaeological sites It is argued that the Quran and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts[1]. Even though they built great sculptures, they werent extremely sophistated people. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. On the first day, their skin would turn yellow; on the second day, red; and on the final day of destruction, black. Large numbers of Bani Rasheed are also found on the Arabian Peninsula. of 'Ad and Thamud by name. Unfortunately, both nations rejected their prophets. For one, Allah certainly mentions that the Thamud were successors to the Aad. The Qurn saysand remember how he made you succeedd and lodged you in the land. 12. [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. Al does not make anything past or present or future. God sent down a milch camel as his sign, and Salih told his countrymen that they should not harm the camel and allow it to drink from their well. Salam. Because inscriptions cannot be relied upon with 100 percent certainty, its possible that the inscriptions are Nabatean while the structures are not. 5. A report in the hadith collection of Bukhari makes this connection between Thamud and al-Hijr quite explicit. Between the mountains were valleys with gardens and springs of water. See the video here (arabic): https://youtu.be/yjRjkjQ-VEA, Me however I lean towards that Madain Saleh is not the place for the Quranic Thamud like Dr Thiaeb (linguist of ancient arabic and archeologist) has been repeatedly saying at least since 1995, because among other reasons that Madain Saleh lacks all the marks of Gods wrath, the earth quake levelling Thamud etc. They are related to the Banu Abs tribe.[33]. Chapter___ MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORI Chapter___ Human Embryonic Development __ Qur'an a Atowar Rahman Salafi _ Atowar Rahman Salafi | atow Suhih Bukhari_ Book of "End of the World". Or just left relics in land 6. It is not a revealed book any more and hence, we are not bound to believe in a few thousand year old civilization our scriptures do not mention any such thing. [16] It is possible that the Thamud were not one tribe, and that other tribes took on the name of Thamd after the original tribe by that name had gone extinct. There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. [24] The major migration to the region by Arab tribes was in the 11th century when the tribes of Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, along with others, were sent by the Fatimids to defeat a Berber rebellion and then settle in the Maghreb. [Sahih Muslim, Book 55, Hadith 49]. [25], Some Islamic sources claim that the Banu Thaqif tribe, an Arab tribe from Ta'if in the period of Muhammad, was descended from a survivor of the Thamud (sometimes a slave of Salih). One may argue that they existed until 106 CE, i.e. the nation of Shuayb (as) is mentioned (78-79). Theres no real reason to mention them lastly, except they came after al-Rass and they are also included in this chronological order as well. During this time, the Nabateans built structures out of rock throughout their Kingdom, The buildings are not homes but are actually tombs, The inscriptions in al-Hijr are not those made by Thamud , At 26 instances in the Quran Thamud are mentioned by name and in none of those contexts they have been called People of al-Hijr, Where the carvings done by Thamud are mentioned the place of it is also mentioned, Quran 89:9 where the places is mentioned as al-Wad which means Wad lQura, The carvings made by the people of al-Hijr are mentioned in 15:82 and the people of al-Hijr is a title of the Nabateans. The means of God's destruction of Thamud include a thunderbolt, a storm, a shout, and an earthquake. Finally, we should understand that Allah has no problem replacing one people with another. That they were better than you in building these fallen down relics 2. This individual was probably a merchant or official in service of the Babylonian court. So away with Thamud! [11] An important exception is a temple at al-Ruwfa in northwestern Saudi Arabia, built by the Thamd themselves in the 160s CE. So they used to carve and not they still carve. Verily, Thamud disbelieved in their Lord. So they concluded that the Nabateans did constructed them. It is possible that the dwelling areas are no longer visible in the last 1400 years as these are just small rooms and tombs with no space inside. So Ill let that one go for another article and focus on the main discussion, the Aad and Thamud. My people, this camel belongs to God, a sign for you, so leave it to pasture on God's earth and do not harm it, or you will soon be punished." The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). What the Prophet () and the Sahaba went through during Tabuk was overall the joint place of Thamud and Nabateans and more specifically the exact well from where the she-camel drank. Yet how can we prove that there was a Prophet sent to them since Allah SWT does not punish a nation without sending one? Similarly, much later, Thamud were wiped out and their remains were taken over by Midianites of which we see the pictures and they constructed over them as per their methods. Or there fallen down relics are still better than you houses now 3. or there fallen down relics show they are/were better than you 4. But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. Only Allah knows if this scenario really happened. The Quran mentions the Thamud as an example of an ancient polytheistic people who were destroyed by God for their sins. Much of the lineage provided before Ma'ad relies on biblical genealogy, so questions persist concerning the accuracy of this segment of Adnanite Arab genealogy. This poses problematic. According to the Online Corpus of the Inscriptions of Ancient North Arabia (OCIANA) at the University of Oxford: Thamudic is a name invented by nineteenth-century scholars for large numbers of inscriptions in ANA alphabets which have not yet been properly studied. Hence, the Prophet (s) and his companions did visit the land of Thamud and reflected upon the ruins of many idolatrous peoples found there, but they did not claim that any of these specific artifacts belonged to the first tribe of Thamud from the Quran. Salamun alaikum, The Quran on the Cerebrum: _ Qur'an and Science. Yusuf Ali: But if they turn away, say thou: "I . Nothing but solid rock underlies the rest of the facades. Thus, if the Quran is in error about the identities of whoever carved out the structures in Madian Salehor wherever else the Thamud livedthe Bible is also in error when it claims a pre-Nabatean people carved out structures in the mountains of Edom. Assalamualaikum the ruined abandoned wells may possible be referring to those belonging to the People of Ar-Rass (i.e. The world is a prison-house for a believer and Par ()_ (): _ _____Terminology of Hadith. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Bani, Banu. The blast struck the evildoers and they lay dead in their homes, as though they had never lived and flourished there. Think over this in detail. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. A little later, Pliny, the Elder (d. 79 AD), a Roman historian, while writing hisNatural History,mentions theThamudaei5 a people dominant in Hegra, adjoining the Nabataeans. The sentence, This structure is not only large enough and a couple more contained links. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. (9:70) Have they not heard the accounts of those who came before them [77] - of the people of Noah and 'Ad and Thamud, and the people of Abraham and the dwellers of Madyan (Midian), and the cities that were overturned? Eph'al instead speculates that the Thamd and other Arab tribes may have made arrangements with Sargon to trade in Samaria, which Assyrian historians embellished as submission. Now we come to the archeological matters concerning the Nabateans. [26] The name is a misnomer from the nineteenth century, when such texts were discovered in areas associated with the Thamud in the Islamic tradition. They were built not before the time of Musa ( ), but during the first century BC and the first century CE. They lived in the kingdom of Edom, which is about 200 or so miles from Madian Saleh, where, supposedly, the Quranic Thamud lived, although the Thamud could have lived in multiple areas, including Petra 3. They were so proud of their accomplishments, that they built huge castles, palaces, and other structures as symbols of their power. Suhih Muslim _ The Book of Prayers (Kitab Al-Salat || Html Code Widget || Blogger Website Blog || At _ The story of cow. The Prophet ()s custom was always to point out to his Companions the geographical locations and landmarks connected with previous Divine Envoys. The structures were not built by the Thamud but by the Nabateans. Assalam alikum forget the rest of what Ive put down but I was just wondering does 36:41 prove that every one on the earth comes from the people of tge ark if yes then how does that work because people could still see thamud dwellings so that means they could only come thousands of years of go but we know noah had to come near them but we know humans have been here at least 40 thousand bc so how do we explain this, Assalam alikum thanks for the answers but thamud had to be destroyed no lesser than 3000 bc not 800 bc jazzakallah because thamud came before Abraham jazzakallah but thanks, Also if the quran says the area is wadi al qura then madian al saleh is not wadi al qura jazzakallah but thanks, But of course in there empire day they would of probably built in wadi al qura and al ula and madian al saleh and else where in there area because they would of had a large population any where between 20 thousand to 50 thousand people because mekkah and median together came to 20-40 thousand people in the prophets day and 40:21 says these people were more in population so they had to be more than mekkah and median, Assalam alikum also dies 7:74 mean that Thamud were the descendents of ad or not or were they they descendents of ad jazzakallah. The verses are fairly generic as there has been mention of people of Lut and Shoaib that are also very close proximity. Heavy contact with Romans resulted in us having a pretty decent record of its territories and people. God then destroyed the tribe, except for Salih and a few other righteous men. The Fatimid era was the peak of Bedouin Arab tribal migrations to Egypt. They wanted to prove that (scientifically, of course) that Salih was not telling the truth. In fact, they are no recognised as Nabatean tombs, resembling the earlier more primitive ones among those to be seen at Petra in present day Jordan, not the late elaborately carved Greco-Roman facades. Required fields are marked *. It becomes rather implausible that a people who a had a law against building a house, would then start constructing breathtakingly massive structures from the rocks of the mountains themselves. Al-Arab al-Ba'ida (Arabic: ), "The Extinct Arabs", were an ancient group of tribes of prehistory that included the 'd, the Thamud, the Tasm, the Jadis, the Imlaq (who included branches of Banu al-Samayda), and others. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. [28] A large Arab migration to Mesopotamia followed the Muslim conquest of Mesopotamia in 634, which saw an increase in the culture and ideals of the Bedouins in the region. They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. 74], , And certainly did the companions of Thamud deny the messengers. After the given time was over, an earthquake shook the land violently and destroyed the people of Thamud in one cry. So, in summary, The Quran makes a claim that in a particular time in history, a people known as Thamud built structures on the hills and mountains. (LogOut/ And We saved those who believed and had Taqwa. And 'Ad and Thamud (people)! Prior to the Muslim conquest of Egypt, Egypt was under Greek and Roman influence. Though no one knows for sure when either of these groups existed, it is clear from the Quran that the Aad were successors to the people of Noah. Obviously, the Thamud were much more advanced technologically than the Aad. Also, the Prophet () did in fact mention the dwellings in a separate hadith. What? But certainly, there is some potential that something like this may have happened. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. What do we intend to get out of the statement that they were more in number and strength in what they left behind. It had no written law, but the tribal leader played the role of ruler. The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the New Testament says:" He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the . Jazak Allah, Ok thanks jazzakkallah that about it thanks but out of the 8 theorys I put down before witch one would you pick to be the best interpretation thanks and when you say (archaic) do you mean that are civilization is better then the people of AD relics or the other way round that there relics are better than are houses or do you just mean there relics are better then the mekkahans houses and madian houses etc I didnt really understand you by that bit but thanks for your helping jazzakkallah. Answer (1 of 7): Yes They were called the people of Aad and they were ancient arabs. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). Moreover, they cultivated fertile land and gained lots of benefit from it. [26] The Arab descendants of the original Arabian settlers who continue to speak Arabic as a first language currently form the single largest population group in North Africa. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Quran and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings, The Issue of the Qurans Teaching on Islamic Monotheism. I guess it can be said that the Nabataeans can be considered one of the nations succeeding the people of Thamud. Do not enter the dwellings of those who wronged themselves unless you are weeping, lest you be afflicted with the likes of what afflicted them. The following are four verses from Obadiah: 1 The vision of Obadiah. 4. This also makes it clear that the people were punished. They built buildings on the land and also carved them in hills. But it was hamstrung and eventually killed by nine people of Thamud, who then attempted but failed to kill Salih himself. And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.Chapter 26, Verse 130. It mentions the elusive city of Iram (mentioned in the above Quranic verse), and reads May Abdallhi son of Atmo be remembered for all time before Allt, the goddess of Iram.. It may very well be that during the time of the prophet, certain structures were still apparent to them that are now hidden due to natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, accretion of sand and erosion with time. [1] Arab tribes have historically inhabited the Arabian Peninsula, but after the spread of Islam, they began to heavily migrate and settle in other areas such as the Levant,[2] Mesopotamia,[3] Egypt,[4] Sudan,[5] the Maghreb,[6] and Khuzestan. Thats it. Akkadians Ala-Maududi. They just wanted to catch him in some sort of inconsistency they could use to discredit him. Routledge. The pagan Arabs were acquainted with their existence but nothing more is known about them. The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. 14. Although the Thamud probably originated in southern Arabia, a large group apparently moved northward at an early date, traditionally settling on the slopes of Mount Athlab. Or there fallen down relics were better than yours in the past but not better now. Five Syriac inscriptions mentioning Arabs have been found at Sumatar Harabesi, one of which dates to the 2nd century CE. Who can bring me down to the ground? Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. [13] Robath is likely the ancient name of modern al-Ruwfa. Is Thamud mentioned in the Bible? Though you build your nest as high as the eagles, Their destruction was like a forest being mowed down by giant machines. Do you think that there inside of there buildings had to of caved in Also what time do you think noah ad and thamud came. Of course there are lessons to be taken from the stories of these two nations. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. So you must also monitor your life for the signs that youre receiving. Guiding Romantic Desire: Wisdom in the Sexual Ethics of Islam, Custodianship of the Right Hand: Concubinage, Rape, and Sexual Slavery in Islam. The story of Miraj- Isra _ Suhih al Bukhari, Can you brush your teeth in Ramadan? This structure is not only large enough to house several individuals, but contains benches which suggests that it served some social function, hence it can qualify to be called a place of dwelling. 15:75 can also be interpreted as a HISTORICAL sign/reminder when referring to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Since I dont have my own blog currently, I will post it here, in case it helps anyone. Allah does not want wrong for the servants. Ok thanks jazzakkallah but do you think the verse can be in past tense and the verse you quote above in your article 89:9 is it talking about homes on the plains or homes in mountains and the verse makes it sound like they could see these houses in the mountions so it makes it sound like this verse is saying the tombs are thamud dwellings so how do we explain this verse or is it just saying they used to do that like ad used too do pillars in the verse before or is that verse saying as well they could still see those pillars jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you. She states that all we have are A few papyri, which are mainly private contracts, and thousands of graffiti scattered on the rocks, 90% of which contain only the name of the individual who wrote it, his fathers name, and a formulaic greeting. Being Dutiful to Parents: Islamic knowledge, The Door to Eternal Paradise: Islamic knowledge. Sargon defeated these tribes, according to his Annals, and had them forcibly deported to Samaria. Many centuries elapse before we find Thamud again in the textual record, though their name crops up many times in (undated) inscriptions throughout North Arabia. What the hidden 85 percent will reveal remains to be seen. Look, it doesnt matter if you warn us or dont warn us, were not going to listen to you. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. Regardless, the thamud tribes structures remained for people to see according to Quran. The shout, which is an extremely loud sound, might have caused the earthquake, according to certain scholars. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. According to Arab traditions, tribes are divided into different divisions called Arab skulls ( ), which is a term given to a group of tribes of the Arabian Peninsula, which are described in the traditional custom of strength, abundance, victory, and honor. Under the Umayyad Caliphate, Arabic became the official language in Egypt rather than Coptic or Greek. Now are they fully destroyed now over the 1400 years or are mixed with the newer nabataens, True but many people say when it says travel the land it is normally speaking about ad and thamud because they are the closest cant atharan mean just marks not marks left behind like 30:50 when it says effects it doesnt mean left behind effects because allah would mean left behind so what can atharan thanks for replying back all the time, Because even if these verses are saying thamud and AD it is saying there better than there houses but how can they if they were in advance state of decay because we cant see ad houses left so they had to be in advance stat of decay so if they were how could they be better then there houses because these verse would be more talking about ad more than thamud any hence in the verse they were mightier because ad called them selfs mightier, Arabic language has been heavily borrowed from by the Urdu language spoken widely in Pakistan and India. what they used to build and what they have built. It must also be kept in mind that not all of the structures have been found as of yet. Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. 27:52 means that their dwellings were destroyed but visible to the onlookers and the Prophet () and the Sahaba saw them but we cannot see them today Also if it is in the present it makes it sound there buildings were like brand new like not destroyed etc, This is it then Im done but thank you very much for answering my questions jazzakkallah, 3. The earliest known mention of this new 'Thamud' in historical sources is is a 715 BC inscription of the Assyrian king Sargon II, which mentions them as being among the people of eastern and central Arabia subjugated by the Assyrians. Part 1_ The story of Musa. And take for yourselves palaces and fortresses that you may abide eternally?Chapter 26, Verses 128 129. [21] Syrians who belonged to Monophysitic denominations welcomed the peninsular Arabs as liberators. What timeline do you think thamud and AD and noah came because they would of have to be closed together and if noah nation was the first to commit shirk then they will have to of come 10 thousand bc because of the gobekli temple in Turkey because they commit shirk 9500 bc. If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. Why? . What else do you have in mind The most striking thing about the Thamud was the huge buildings and structures they built into the sides of mountains. Overall, in my opinion the response could/should be revised in light of some of the points mentioned here. Thamud used to carve out rocks in the valley We have to be open to the idea that a person living thousands of years ago will have a different concept of a place of dwelling than we, in the 21st century, do. This is attested by Safaitic inscriptions (beginning in the 1st century BCE) and the many Arabic personal names in Nabataean inscriptions. [27:49]. I look forward to your response my dear brother. We find ruins of so many past civilisations such as Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and so on. Doesnt matter if they were destroyed before or after Ibn Kathir and the land is not in Yemen. Therefore, the Adnanites are descendants of Abraham. Firstly, Ashab al-Hijr seem to be Thamud (15:80-85) because although this is the only time they are called this name, commentators unanimously agree that they are Thamud. And they used to deny Our Ayat! [23] Arab tribes such as Banu Muzaina migrated, and the Arab Muslims in the region had more impact on the culture of the Maghreb than the region's conquerors before and after them. Thus, we can say that perhaps this ones were the Nabataeans. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. . However, not all of them were destroyed; Salih and hisfollowers continued to live on. I do understand why most Christians are unaware of the fine details interspersed within the ponderous and drawn-out book. Archeologists have put these ruins from the first century BCE and the first century CE. The coloring of (sedentary culture) established itself firmly. you who live in the clefts of the rocks, The arguments against the Quran and Hadith are as follows: Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih) UNESCO World Heritage Centre. Hence I clearly mentioned in my original comment that this seems to be the weakest of all interpretations. When they cut the hamstring of a female camel that God had sent down for them, despite the prophet's warnings, they were annihilated, except for Salih and his followers. Now we dont see the remains of Nuhs AS people now do we? Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. As for the wells, studies have shown that the Nabateans were experts in the field of irrigation and a lot of wells was attributed to them. Question:What is the correct explanation for the P --* _ . Chapter (41) srat fuilat (Explained in Detail) Sahih International: But if they turn away, then say, "I have warned you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt [that struck] 'Aad and Thamud.. Pickthall: But if they turn away, then say: I warn you of a thunderbolt like the thunderbolt (which fell of old upon the tribes) of A'ad and Thamud;. Syed Suleman Nadvi discusses this in Tarikh Ard al-Quran vol.2. Also sorry with wadi alQura where is that place because you mention in your article that is the place and it is different but where is it in saudia Arabia like how far from madain saleh and where is it near because they dont show it on the maps, 4. The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. Thus, the possibility exists that the Edomites copied the mountainous dwellings of the Thamud, just as the Nabateans may have copiedor took over the architectural style of the Edomites or the Thamud and added their own flavor. The buildings of Thamud may or may not have remained but the well did exist then I am also writing an text on this that I inshaAllah will put up online. Khurusani Arabs were mainly contingent from Nejdi tribes such as Banu Tamim. These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. 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