vepr 12 problems

Shame on you TTAG. similar to taking down Al Capone for tax evasion). Most importantly, read the manual before you fire any gun. Sometimes those things find their ways into the wrong hands. Photo by Jeff Jones. $699 classic firearms they cant keep them in stock tho sell out with in one two weeks and takes a second for em to get em again. A little play is normal on your piston. The follower is a bit rough in my sgm but unfortunately the fte problem happens with the factory 5 rounder also. Yea that was the first thing i thought also. Ive gone up and down and read all these idiotic comments on how the muzzle brake wont do anythingmy god, people on here are retards. I had a box of Federal 8 shot, and Winchester Universal 7 1/2 shot. Overall Rating: * * * 9mm Pistol, Federal District Court Judge Orders Illinois to Show Examples of Every Newly-Banned Firearm, Gun Review: Taylors & Company TC9 1873 SA Single Action Revolver, http://www.birminghampistol.com/?product=vepr-12-gauge-ak-style-shotgun-semi-auto-folder-stock-welded-open, https://gritrsports.com/shooting/firearms/rifles/ak-47-rifles/. That sounds about right. It jammed every time. When shouldering the Vepr, the ergonomics also help reduce recoil. You just have to take everything with a grain of salt. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. Ownership in Russia requires only a smoothbore-gun license. I just read the review and comments section in its entirety. So Second, see my comment right above yours. It will retrofit into the existing recoil system by simply removing the the factory guide rod retainer pin, OEM rod, and then recapturing the new performance rod with the factory pin. This guy's specialty is with Saiga 12 and VEPR 12 shotguns, specifically with making them run smoothly and efficiently. I managed to take it apart and deburr all of them. With the VEPR-12, it looks like some of those problems have been fixed. Fortunately for them they took off before I got downstairs. Pasted as rich text. Sometimes price is included in the ratings, and usually it is in the discussion. How much does a shotgun with that thing on it weigh, fully loaded? And lastly, just my opinion, If paralax is an issue and you cant compensate for 1 then maybe a different hobby is better for you. For reference, 1 oz loads (28 gram) it must be at least 1235 FPS. I also did not use any magnums. Your previous content has been restored. Finally, if stuff happened and it was confiscated, Id just buy anotherno drama. Press J to jump to the feed. Are you rapid firing, or taking your time between the shots? Mine won't function with them either. Thats a piss poor reason to buy a gun but some how it came home with me anyway. Very easy to do. Am i allowed to post a youtube link? cause to beleave its not they just cant arrest us or hold u, they need reason befor they ack, This review doesnt mention what it did shooting target rounds like in 3 gun. You can post now and register later. and if possible side folding stock, but most of available options required a special adaptor. I find the Vepr 12 section and start a new thread. i would like to see an update to the review considering 800 is the new price.. +1 Do this quite a few times until the follower moves smoothly from top to bottom. Oh, and the best part: The bolt is held open after the last round fires. Urban warfare. This is quite obviously no better than a brick for home defense. It was immediately clear (especially after reading this authors Saiga 12 review) that he didnt want to like this gun. No. On the flip side, you have to draw the line somewhere and if there were a rating category for every possible facet of a firearm then the ratings would be longer than the review article. A lot of TTAGs overall star ratings mention that theyre comparing the gun to similar guns in a similar price range. What if American gun manufacturers decide to cut corners (and then cut some extra corners) because they know that people will buy American no matter what? Trap and skeet shooting? I've compiled the 12 gauge 2 2/3" shells for your reference: http://www.doitdarith.com/temp/vepr12/wolfammo12gaugevepr12.html. By Please post a video of this if you can. Upload or insert images from URL. same concept as the ar15 and ak47, lots of loaded mags and fire away, amazing with Pumpkin shoots! mags. Their new loads are badass. Your piston gets guided into position by the gas tube. Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at. Mechanically, anyway. Its an improvement over the old Saiga-12, but I wouldnt judge it being twice as good. I saw the MAC review of it though where he had malfunctions with the hulls hitting the optic though. Mine has a small amount of play in it too, but not much. First on the list of gripes is the safety. I am familiar with their products for a quite a long time, but now they got a buttstock with adaptor It sure has hell seems like a lot of people commenting on here have never even handled a Vepr 12. Also considered potential liability at trial. I swapped the furniture on my VEPR 12 (slant cut, thumbhole stock) and ever since then I've had some issues with trigger reset. Later models included a fully functional folding stock. I did quite a bit of research b4 buying this weapon and tht seemed to be a recurring theme amongst the ppl having "issues" with the gun so i made sure i wasnt limping it at all. If there were only a single overall rating, it may not reflect whats important to some people vs. others. Honestly are trying to be funny (satire)? I also own a Mossberg 930 and Ive fired slugs from my friends Savage 12 gauge. I swapped the furniture on my VEPR 12 (slant cut, thumbhole stock) and ever since then I've had some issues with trigger reset. As a result, the traditional way to keep a shotgun running has been a tube magazine running along the bottom of the barrel. It is patterned after the original Kalashnikov rifle and built on the heavier RPK light machine gun receiver. Its much more convenient and a lot quicker to reload. What do you use it for? Much like its cousin the Saiga-12, the Vepr-12 is ideal for clay shooting, with appropriate optics. Helps increase efficiency and thus improves reliability. I just dont get that feeling of reliability like I do with the others. ! For the Russian hunting rifle, see, Carbine -206 (VPO-206) with collapsible stock, Learn how and when to remove this template message, "French RAID operator with russian Molot Vepr 12 Semi-Automatic Shotgun", The Vepr 12 "Molot" old official page snapshot, "Army News" NATO putting Vepr-12 "Molot" in service, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vepr-12&oldid=1134448598, 12 Gauge [18.5x70mmR] or 12 Gauge Magnum [18.5x76mmR], This page was last edited on 18 January 2023, at 19:15. Everyone wanted to play with it. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. sure Ill have to replace a couple parts but the mag does count as one of them. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. I was looking for a buttstock for my Vepr 12 Molot. Might make sense, I had the VEPR on the same bench I was using the dremel on. The factory recoil assembly can be the reason for (FTE)Failure to Eject problems. The VEPR-12 is definitely an improvement over the Saiga-12, but as far as I can tell its still a solution looking for a problem. That said, Ill admit that in the reviews I have done Ive tried to add any categories that I felt had a direct affect on the overall score so the overall did make more sense when taking into account the stuff above it. Cost the same as a base model AR or AK does. With the cheek pad in place I couldnt get a good sight picture, and with it removed I couldnt get any kind of cheek or even chin weld on the stock. ive had nothing but issues feeding cheap rounds.FTE almost every single time. I bought a single VEPR 12 (for under $700 shipped btw) and its FLAWLESS. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial. Then of course the possibility of violating firearms laws in a different state. You can post now and register later. Own a piece of Russian legacy before it's gone. Then take out the two screws that hold down the tang. Also just send in your assembly to have them install in, trust me, its a pain. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Then I thought maybe the SGM 12rd magazine was the problem, so I switched to the factory 5rd, same problem. Somethingto try and may help. I work from a home office in my basement. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. Check out our video on the Russian Molot VEPR-12 and tell us what you think. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I took the shotgun apart, wiped the piston, bolt, carrier, and reapplied lube. The stamped steel receiver is reinforced, thicker (1.5mm instead of 1mm), and more heavily constructed than a standard Kalashnikov-pattern rifle. But the question remains: is the gas piston supposed to have a little side to side play in it? 31 0 0. It has a collapsible Colt M4-style Magpul sliding stock. The problem with shotguns is that the ammunition is huge and awkward. So unless the river is running around with bolt locked back which is stupid, thats the only time the tab could be an issue. My favorite light load is the Remington game load which is 3 1/4 drams and 1 oz load at 1290 fps. VEPR 12 issues. You are all CRAZY. Yeah I forgot about that, But they also make a new 3" magnum load which I would like to try out for HD. Press J to jump to the feed. I'm wondering if this isn't a trigger issue. My long saga was over. Getting to know her working her in with stroke after stroke after stroke makes for a better relationship. I also like shotguns a lot, so having a few choices now is nice. Or alternatively, if the velocity is down, the weight has to go up. I am 922(r) compliant and added a tank muzzle break, this helps reducing muzzle flip. Im no gunsmith or engineer or nothing like that but just visually judging by the internals design i figure the tip of the gas piston inserts into the cavity inside the puck once a round is chamberedgotta be tough with 1cm worth of play in the actual piston. Let alone write a review without reading the freaking owners manual? Its annoying and frustrating, and if this were my gun that would be the first thing to go. Also try not to limp shoulder the weapon. MSRP:$1,199 (Buds). With all of this said, I realize that there can be many reasons why a gun will not run as advertised. And instead of rocking the magazines into place like on a standard AK, they simply slot straight into the receiver. If you don't give a it good back stop, you can cause the FTE's. Let me know if theres anything else that would help. MAGS INCLUDED. Everything has passed very smoothly and after the order has been made in 2 days the parcel was sent out. mandalorian-armor-for-sale A similar question could ale be asked: why not include price as a gradeable category? Molot VEPR. First, the Saiga and the VEPR are completely different guns. Just saying. Accuracy: * * * * I might cut my house in half, but there is no way in hell anybody is leaving that place alive. Either it has sharp edges (you cut yourself or the gun grinds when using it) or it doesnt. The price for the basic package is about $210 which honestly seemed a little pricey at first, but I was at my wits end with this gun and decided to pull the trigger as it were. Positioned about in the same spot that the bolt hold open tab was for the Saiga-12 shotgun, the tab now works as a bolt release allowing you to press this one tab and let the bolt slide home. The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. Is that how Europeans/Russians refer to 12g? At first I thought it was because the RPK handguard i got is a tiny bit shorter and it was wiggling out of place but I put the original back on and I still had it happen today. Nick, if you hate AKs thats fine just dont review them and make excuses for why you give them bad reviews without justification. I took the Vepr back to the gun range using only the stock magazine and with the gun lubricated. Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! At what point of the loading is it having the issue? Thats like complaining that your 22lr wont cycle 22short. So,wouldnt it be embarassing to be the 1st person to be done in by it? http://thetruthaboutguns.com/author/foghorn/, Gun Review: Taurus GX4XL T.O.R.O. I mean, its the truth about how this gun comes from the factory, but its not the truth about how great this gun can be with 5 minutes of time in my mechanically inclined hands. Have to agree with the author. Have they solved the dis-assembly pin warp problem on the VEPR 12 yet? There is a bolt hold button on this gun that he is getting confused with the bolt release lever. With these considerations in mind, Molot introduced unique features, such as the ambidextrous safety selector, the bolt hold-open mechanism and a simplified magazine feeding mechanism. Light recoil for a 12 gauge. As the author said, it was a solution looking for a problem. | Disclaimer. Most obvious is probably that the gun comes from the factory configured the way youd want it. They included that button on the bottom of the receiver it is in front of the trigger this allows you to lock the bolt without an inserted magazine. I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. Joined Jan 26, 2009 . Rating - 100%. The dust cover is hinged to the shotgun, allowing the user to open and close the cover without losing the zeroing of a mounted optic. The exact same thing happened. No longer do you have to count your rounds and then muscle the new magazine into place with the bolt forward, it locks open just like an AR-15. there are a ton of gun videos there. After a detailed search ive found this option from Israeli company Fab-Defence: http://www.idf-tactical.com/Buttstocks/ShotgunsStocks/M4-VEPR-FKSB. Factory last round bolt hold open. You cannot paste images directly. Threaded barrel should not be an AWB problem for a shotgun as it is not on the shotgun evil feature list. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. I recommend factory springs. The Vepr-12 is intended to be a direct competitor to the widely popular Saiga-12 shotgun already produced by Izhmash. The Vepr 12 shotgun is a hefty piece of machinery. Break it in a bit. Full VEPR 12 walk through, ammo test and review. My gas puc is right, but I'm glad my gas tube and spacing look OK because that is what I was worried about. I purchased this gun for right at $1000 bucks. Special thanks to evlblkwpnz and 505Firefor their help. i know the [Get your minds out of the gutter], Theres an issue with aiming this gun, thanks to the parallax resulting from the sights being an inch above the top of the barrel. The height over bore with a VEPR-12 or Saiga makes a bead not work well. I think my next plan of action will be to polish the bolt carrier rails and see if that garners any results.other than that imma just run the hell out of some heavy loads. yep, just about all AKs have some contact of the rear trunnion with the carrier. Showing up without them; likely. Plus, the ones at my WalMart are 1315fps. Seems interesting. Vepr 12 owner here. All were low brass including Winchester Super Target, Federal Game Loads, and Remington Game Loads. A notch on the operating rod allows the user to hook the piston and pull it out to the rear for cleaning.[3]. Since the Saiga puts you in the higher classes of 3 gun I bought a Mossberg 930 SPX. This is the most obviously biased and uninformed review Ive ever read on this site. I just bought a Vepr 12 a few weeks ago. Price wasnt a prior category. In the buttstock there is shock-absorbing system and T6 hard anodized aluminum buffer tube. I have a few 10 round stick mags and a 20 round drum. Yeah. I mean if the stock has been welded open it would mean that straight from the factory it was intended to fold but was welded for some legal reasons. Id also be really embarrassed to show up at work without pants on, but its just about as likely. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. His point about magazines, there are 5, 8, 10, 12 round mags available and various drums too. A nifty range gun no doubt, but if Im spending this much money Id like to actually be able to use it for something. It runs like a damn champ now. It has failures to eject. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. You need to bend the pegs of your hammer spring towards the outside of the receiver. Its a bit funny for me to read: the gun FEELS like it has very sharp edges and rough machining. Overall rating is not mathematically derived from the previous component ratings and encompasses all aspects of the firearm including those not discussed. 2. Instead, the piston is accessed in a manner familiar to users of traditional Kalashnikov rifles, by removal of the gas tube. Even then some just do not like light loads. Im hoping its just one of thise situations where it needs to be fired more. Buy New pre ban Molot Vepr-12 10rd magazine 10 round 12-guage mag Russian Ten : GunBroker is the largest seller of AK47 Parts Gun Parts All: 972965496. arringdd, Like the Saiga, the Vepr-12 was designed to be a versatile weapons platform, capable of being used by hunters and professional shooters alike. Second, ITS NOT DESIGNED TO RUN LOW BRASS BULK BIRDSHOT. Because its not an AR. they said no one should be detain because of open carey of a gun, so u first need break the law, some kind law they take your gun do they have just cause to beleave gun not leagle ? Make sure to subscribe to our channel for more!\r\rFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rWebsite: https://misterguns.com/ Then I switched to S&B buckshot, thinking that perhaps the birdshot was too light to cycle the action (even though its supposed to be self regulating and work with any load). theres no prosecution history of 922r at all. The VPO-205 series is chambered for 12 Gauge [18.5x70mmR] and 12 Gauge Magnum [18.5x76mmR] shells. See Features. I wanted to use the worst possible ammo I could find and sure enough, I did. If you are a person that is looking for ONE gun then do your research and grab it but why badmouth others? Top competitors compete with what their sponsors tell them to so they serve as walking advertisements. It did make contact but nothing out of the ordinary from what I can tell. The trigger will reset if I pull thr charging handle back just a little bit and let the BCG go back into battery with the chambered round. Gifts sure. If you want to shoot the lower end of the range, try one of the CSS springs. Maybe your reviews should mention some of these things, or maybe youre not so inclined. The second one I bought was at issue. I started out with a 12 round magazine of #8 birdshot, remington low brass. It kicks like a freaking mule on steroids, but certainly does what it is supposed to. Just pull the bolt back with your right hand, push the button with your left index finger while gripping the rifle and it locks back. I heard an intruder in my house once and grabbed my Vaquero. I really didnt have a good reason to buy it other than the fact that they arent being imported anymore. Chinese products were not taken into account as in the past already had some issues with them. best point this is ohio man was open carry a gun wich is leagle police detain him with out cause orther then the gun they found he can sue the state and police. Ill report back. Ive never seen that XRAIL system before. I never beat my dogs downstairs though and it is over so fast I dont get time to even fire one round. Home defense, war, Armageddon is what its designed for. I put all this on before even firing a single shot and then took her to the range. If you want a flimsy plastic lightweight mag, the AR-15 awaits. Ratings (Out of Five Stars): $1200 is way too much. He is responsive to inquiries on the progress of your build and will even post pics of it on his Facebook account for you to see. So bottom line, great gun. I have several ARs and a hundred or so 30 round mags. Model: VEPR 12 Short-Barreled Shotgun (SBS) Action: Magazine-fed, semi-automatic Caliber: 12 gauge, 3" chamber Length: 34" Barrel length: 12" Weight: 9.3 lbs Capacity: 5 or 8 (Standard) and higher (extended) MSRP: $1,699 ( The other variants carry a MSRP of $1,199) VEPR 12 Shotgun Due to Russian law, domestic and many export versions of the shotgun are equipped with a disconnector that will render the gun unable to fire while the stock is folded (only if the length of the weapon gets less than 800 mm). In the old stone quarry, I ran five loads through the VEPR-12 for patterning at 15 yards. Second if you want to shoot light loads you have to adjust the gas system and set it to pos. Ive owned both. Price was 799.99 and was from Classic Arms. So I suppose you ran your 3 gun AR bone stock with zero modifications then. All Rights Reserved. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I second the Wally world suprema ammo. I suppose that makes sense for hogs though. I took a look at my Vepr 12 and I cannot see any differences between yours and mine. Ratings are relative to all other similar firearms. The slide locks back easily by pushing the little button in front of the trigger guard (just behind the magazine release paddle). ak-74-for-sale I guess I'm different in that I never look for a "end-all-be-all" firearm be it hand/long. Barrel: 19 inches +1 for the Hornady buckshot. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. Copyright Pasadena Shooting Dentist. Display as a link instead, Mine runs 2 3/4 Dram (Winchester AA). And Id be swapping the stock for something thats not welded open and awkward, so might as well get something American while doing that, giving you another compliance part. True the manual from I mash is terrible, but 10min on the s12 forums fixes that problem. buy-ak47 They just arent as durable as people would like others to think. Overall the VEPR-12 is a dramatic improvement over the Saiga. Third, I say uninformed because as was covered by other responses there is indeed a bolt hold open button that eliminates the supposed need to use an empty magazine to lock the action open. Re-use your factory recoil springs, or, for improved cycling with 3 dram ammunition, use in conjunction with our 15lb Wolff recoil spring, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, Note: Gunsmith install HIGHLY recommended! Bring the price down around $800 and well talk. There are dimpled impressions in either side of the threads on the end of the bolt carrier where the gas piston screws in that prevent it from being tightened which leads me to believe its supposed to be that way but for there to be ANY wiggle in such a sophisticated gas system seems a little odd to me. First, your limited thinking cant come up with all the tactical and practical applications for a semi-auto shotgun that reloads quickly and easily? I dont get the part about magazines and home defense. They need some help with smoothing and polishing parts inside and such. Cycling the action by hand, it doesnt seem rough, in fact, my WASR-10 which is completely reliable has a much grittier, noiser action. Its pretty much always the same malfunction. Of all the magazines I tried only the 5 rounders were reliable and even those had occasional jams. The Vepr-12 lacks the standard AK side mounting rail, instead using a Picatinny rail incorporated into the dust cover for optic mounting. You have entered an incorrect email address! For the most part all semi auto shotguns have their own quirks. Considering that standard OOB over penetrates at 1325 FPS for HD purposes, and has a ratty pattern, 1600 FPS would seem a move in the wrong direction. Thats no different than saying I tested a Delton AR15 that jammed so this Daniel Defense AR15 is an inferior weapon to a Winchester 70.. With the Vepr, I went through about 50 and didnt have a sore shoulder. Do they use the metric designations for shotguns calibers as well as regular cartridges? Early versions of the Vepr-12 were produced by Izhmash, with production moving to the Molot factory where the shotgun was redesigned and mass-produced. I havent run birdshot through it yet so I cant comment on function with low brass loads. Why is that? By Vepr 12 shotguns are designed for self-defense. Just saw them in stock here http://www.birminghampistol.com/?product=vepr-12-gauge-ak-style-shotgun-semi-auto-folder-stock-welded-open, YupThanks to BHO. Fanbois are fanbois. Bet this gun would be ideal for sasquatch hunting. Sold it when I was stationed in California because the AK platform is per se illegal in the state and I play by the rules. Ultimately, you will have to go through the trouble shooting process yourself, but if you run out of options with no luck, consider Cobra's Custom and their professional polishing job.

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