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Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. You Have Been Warned). kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. Specific in nature? We decided that on the plane.. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. a month after 30 days. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. He has clearly done his research of the law and proposes many ways that this type of tragic event could be prevented in the future. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. A tale of sorrow and survival. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. That one comes back a lot. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. Part of my peace comes from doing everything to change Canadian law. But something kept me going, and. If one thinks the American justice system is slow moving and against the victim most times, then one should encounter the Canadian justice system. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. You can, just--there's nothing. At times, one would pull the other back from the brink. show takes four couples who are having trouble. Whom was also a doctor. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. I'll never understand why. Kate has also moved on,according to her Instagram. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. He was jolly.. "In a small sense we have found some peace and contentment," says David. Cpl. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. I mean, the best man is really the groom. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. She appealed and a hearing was set for September 2003. Go away.'. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. She was born to the late th By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. They would go to Pennsylvania to collect the body and belongings of their only child. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. I was truly shocked when I watched it. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. us around. Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. Id say, `Oh, its so good to see you. And hed say, `Its so good to be seen.'. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. Shirley. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! Snow. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. Right, right. Was it true? Extensive research, law proceedings are all included as well as other crimes that happened while the story takes place.Excellent read. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. Not always.. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. I had this overwhelming feeling. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. He said, `What can happen?'. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. David reacted with anger. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. I can understand that. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. However, the intended audience of the film. We don't--we don't gush very much. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? It's. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. did. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. MORRISON: But then things changed. You were done. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. I may be in Fantasyland. Help contribute to IMDb. This book ends in heartbreaking tragedy. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. That word closure? Why would she say that if he wasn't? I had a husband I loved. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. First she killed Andrew Bagby. My gut just churned. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. Turner had not finished with the family yet. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' And he was beautiful, Kate says. Father murdered. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. Canadian authorities arrested Turner in early December 2001, but fatefully, released her on bail as she waited for a series of decisions regarding Pennsylvanias request for extradition. They were forced to hand Zachary back to Turner and, again, tiptoe around her. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. quiet. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. Yes,Shirley Turner should have been innocent until proven guilty, but to be out on parole( with her sureties only needing to provide their signatures and not a red cent,another crime towards the innocent!!) Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. I just want to get through medical school.'. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. I tried to console them, Snow says. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. The September 2006 report, which chronicles the law enforcement and legal developments in the case, provides many of the details in the story that follows. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. get in there, if that's what she demanded. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. The decision was put on hold, however, with an appeal hearing scheduled for September. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. Each decision is subject to appeal. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. He was like Andrew. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. If you dont believe that, you need only follow the Bagbys lives over the past five years. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Did. After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. I guess they just clenched their teeth and did it.. By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. Thus, the film largely revolves around Andrew's death and the impact it had on his friends and family. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? Now, she sucked us in here, too. Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. 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